i am a producer i don't believe in useing someone elses work to call your own whether that's useing bought loops or sampleing tracks. i think there is a big difference between those that call themselves producers and those that sample and call themselves producers. i think a real producer does mroe then chop a sample and throw a beat on grant it there's alot of money in that but i always think that first you gotta get that sample cleared which is gonna cost ya money 2nd if ya don't do this and they wanna be dicks they can sue ya for a bigger amount thne what you prolly made off the sample so in a way i wonder why even sample if i sample something i chop the shit out of it where it is totally unrecognizable but when i hear someone screwing a "lil wayne quote" or whoever that irritates me i mean yeah it sounds good but a producer has tools so if ya want something in there why don't you record it yaself and screw it ya self and own your own work? just my oppinion and a topic i wonder what other people think about

I only sample sometimes because well it makes money. I'm never proud of what I sample or tell people I made it. I do it solely for the money, because a lot of people like sampled beats. I do use chopped & screwed hooks a lot because people like those too. I see nothing wrong with using a screwed hook because it isn't music, it's just a hook.

I have little to no respect for people like Kanye West who think they are amazing yet don't compose their own beats.

djcapalay wrote:

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i am a producer i don't believe in useing someone elses work to call your own whether that's useing bought loops or sampleing tracks. i think there is a big difference between those that call themselves producers and those that sample and call themselves producers. i think a real producer does mroe then chop a sample and throw a beat on grant it there's alot of money in that but i always think that first you gotta get that sample cleared which is gonna cost ya money 2nd if ya don't do this and they wanna be dicks they can sue ya for a bigger amount thne what you prolly made off the sample so in a way i wonder why even sample if i sample something i chop the shit out of it where it is totally unrecognizable but when i hear someone screwing a "lil wayne quote" or whoever that irritates me i mean yeah it sounds good but a producer has tools so if ya want something in there why don't you record it yaself and screw it ya self and own your own work? just my oppinion and a topic i wonder what other people think about

wait you got samplingh wrong..

if i take a lil wayne voice and chop it on a beat

yeah its a sample of wayne voice but the beat isnt a sample...

the voice is a sample...

but when you say samplers versus producers a sampler is some one who takes a loop and put lil drums on it...

thats a sample,

if i make a beat and put a voice on it the beat is not sampled, but i used a sample, and yeah you still have to pay for that

but i can take that vocal off and guess what its not a sample in there anymore

but a SAMPLED beat i cant take the sample out because then just drums will be play n, sometime people dont even add drums....

djcapalay wrote:

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but when i hear someone screwing a "lil wayne quote" or whoever that irritates me i mean yeah it sounds good but a producer has tools so if ya want something in there why don't you record it yaself and screw it ya self and own your own work?

I forgot to mention this. I don't have the tools to do it. Also I have a lame voice for doing hooks haha.

This is the age old hiphop question & there will always be support for both sides.

Hip hop is FOUNDED on sampling - im not gunna go into the long story of the originators cause if your producing - then you should already KNOW THE WHOLE STORY!! and if you dont - then get ya head right before you touch another pad on that MPC! Every hiphop beat from the 80's & 90's used sampled drums. From RunDMC to Jay-z, from NWA to EPMD... etc...
And beyond drums - 90% of any hiphop record in the past 25 years has used a sample of a melody or beat as a backbone to the track. Look at all your CD jackets for the credits of each song of any given album & i will bet my ass on that fact.

Its only been in the recent few years that producers & technology have created a new sound of hiphop - hence your dirty south & midwest styles which use NEW SCHOOL melody & drum arrangements.

djcapalay - dont get me wrong - im not attacking you on the issue & i commend you on an original steez. Just dont forget that the main ingredient to a hip hop track - is hip hop. feel me

Im gunna co-sign bigdawgbeatz with the difference of sample producing. Theres a way to do it right & a way to be lazy & cheap.

The comment about Kanye - Vandlalized - man c'mon
how can you say you have litte to no respect for the man for doin his thing...
so i guess you have no respect for JustBlaze & No ID - who samples soul & disco tracks
or RZA - who samples old Kung Fu movie soundtracks
or Premier - who cuts up vocal samples with the beat to make hooks
or Dre - who repeatedly sampled old funk records and more recently classic rock records

And i guess you aint feelin Polow tha Don for garageband samples - OK well yea - fuck him that was cheap - lOl

I do feel you on the money aspect of chop/screw beats & sample - people want them - GET THAT MONEY! thats what we here for!

What The Hell... Music iz Built On Sampling Fam... What Planet Are U On??? Dj Premier, Dr Dre, Timbo, The Alchimist, 9th Wonder, Kanye,etc... Those Guyz Are Legendz.. Just Because We Sample Something Doesnt Mean Were Not "Real Producers"... Because Im Real In Da Flesh.. And Good At What I Do....

"Check Ya Self Be4 You Wreck Ya Self"... LOl

Beatfanatik wrote:

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What The Hell... Music iz Built On Sampling Fam... What Planet Are U On??? Dj Premier, Dr Dre, Timbo, The Alchimist, 9th Wonder, Kanye,etc... Those Guyz Are Legendz.. Just Because We Sample Something Doesnt Mean Were Not "Real Producers"... Because Im Real In Da Flesh.. And Good At What I Do....

I agree with CrossForm & BeatFanatik...
I use samples because i'm Hip Hop and I love It! The "Real ones" know what i'm talking about. And i don't care about what some people say about using samples, usually they discovered hip hop in 2001 or they started making beats with Soulja boy...
I got Respect for Scott Storch, a real guy who can create his own sound, but i also have big respect for guys like Just Blaze, kanye, 9th W, etc.
The only thing that matters in Hip Hop (and music in general) its how it bangs at the end!

i agree w/ everyone who stood up for sampling. yall really hit the nail on the head. try preaching that bull shit to dj premier youngin. you may know where this shit started but you dont know where it came from!!! the source. sometimes you gotta take it back to the essense. i want you to listen to my track "another victim" and recognize you cant do what we do. i challenge you to make a beat in this fasion or even tell me where i got any of my samples. i am a mucisian (keys, guitar and bass) i can do what you do. right now my equip is down. give me keys and i can easily do what you do. SON!!!!!

lol dude who made this forum aint even replied back yet,

STAND UP FOR YA SELF!!!!!!!!!!!!

lol

Stewface wrote:

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Beatfanatik wrote:

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What The Hell... Music iz Built On Sampling Fam... What Planet Are U On??? Dj Premier, Dr Dre, Timbo, The Alchimist, 9th Wonder, Kanye,etc... Those Guyz Are Legendz.. Just Because We Sample Something Doesnt Mean Were Not "Real Producers"... Because Im Real In Da Flesh.. And Good At What I Do....

I agree with CrossForm & BeatFanatik...
I use samples because i'm Hip Hop and I love It! The "Real ones" know what i'm talking about. And i don't care about what some people say about using samples, usually they discovered hip hop in 2001 or they started making beats with Soulja boy...
I got Respect for Scott Storch, a real guy who can create his own sound, but i also have big respect for guys like Just Blaze, kanye, 9th W, etc.
The only thing that matters in Hip Hop (and music in general) its how it bangs at the end!

Real TALK

i didn't have a chance to reply cuz i had to work and i been in the studio alright yeah sampleing is a tool in hip hop but the thing is it's over rated there is no talent involved in that anyone can drop a rhythm to a sampled piece of music or screwed track but sampleing is not produceing my whole point to this topic is a real producer takes pride in his own work and doesn't try to get his shine off someone else's now as far as dre, kanye, timbaland, and the rest go i wouldn't call them legends i'd call the people they sample from legends and i'd just say they all are the middle man. it disapoints me that music has went from a form of expression which is what hip hop was all about at first now it's evolved into a really good sound but people are just saying and doing what sells instead of bringin there unique thoughts what happened to the art! that's a question ya need to ask yaself how many more songs can we hear about i get money when there are more people out there struggleing that don't wanna hear about your rides, houses, and your materials i want the art back i wanna hear the struggle we livin i wanna hear the story of success not the story of after success cuz that story always ends the same way ya get rich, nice things, and everybody loves ya. i'm just saying sampleing is not creative in my oppinion. By the way the reason people like sampled beats is cuz people can't play music like that anymore everybody uses digital stuff. so if ya can't play a piano ya sample a piano ya like and put drums to it. in my oppinion that don't make you a producer. A real producer does everything to learn how to get the best sound and create his own tone/sound. example everytime you hear a neptunes beat you know pharrel did it every time you hear a lil jon track you know he did it every time you hear david banner you know he did it every time you hear scott storch you know he did it. That is a producer a person that creates there own sound and is recognizable by that sound.

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i'm just saying sampleing is not creative in my oppinion.

i would have to disagree with you! Arranging samples is pure creativity! a great example of that is BoonDoc. check his vids on youtube!

i can right an instrumental from scratch, but i love to sample, if its something cool

I respect producers that compose and producers that sample. I believe samples are a big part of how hip-hop came about. I love old school tracks and by far most of them from Rakim to Public Enemy to EPMD were sampled beats. Just because somebody uses someone elses work and twists it around puts their own spin to it. SO what??? Its called HIP-HOP baby. Its been going on it always will. No reason to get mad at it, get with it.

Djcapaly...
If you dont like sampling you dont like rap music.
Whats you favorite songs? Bet Them Shits Is sampled. Funny thing is you might not even know.
I like to sample what I call Hip Hop Standards.
Songs that have been sampled over and over agian.
it shows you can do what The top producers do.
When I battle these tracks I get comments like..
dats a lil douche bag track votes for gaybeats.
But spice one sampled it first and its really a stevie wonder song or something. People get dumber every year to much tv.

You got producers and composers mixed up.
A dictonary should clear that up.
Here's a hint you dont have to play music to be a producer.

Look at music as a whole. It has always been common place for many many artists to use the same song. Some of the best songs ever recored are cover songs. All the best composers do cover songs. Why? there are standards, peoples favorite songs, songs everyone knows. True artists strive to master thier craft, you got to know the standards to do that.

I have made hundreds and hundreds of Original songs sample free. But I still Sample Like Crazy.
Maybe your a one trick pony, not me.
If sampling is so easy prove it.
I sampled a song Called Sunshine by roy ayres.
The track is on my page, see how close you can get it to mine. It shouldnt take long its easy right.
Bet you give up or never even try.

I think you cats that hate on sampling try and the drums dont match or you just end up with garbage, and you give up. Then a guy like me samples the same shit and you say man sampling aint shit he aint do that, thats young jizz stain. Am I right? Or can you do it? Or are you just talking about something you dont know shit about.

Oh yea what about your drums you must have a drummer on call, unless your using I dont know.....drum samples. But you must have a moog or Cs-80 beacuse all the newer synths use samples too. Matter of fact so did some of the analog synths like the mellotron and most vsts use samples too what ya know. You must not use a daw either guess how they work?