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during a beat battle.. original vs sample 2 Months ago Give Props!: 1  
i dont understand how u can vote for a sampled beat over a orginal beat its like all u have to do is cut a stolen melody up and add drums?.. is that to hard? but some one else has to think up a whole entire instrumental and make it creative and master it all from scratch but they lose to some 1 who just adds some drums to a alraedy hit instrumental... but i dont know what do you all think?
 
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Re:during a beat battle.. original vs sample 2 Months ago Give Props!: 22  
Not knocking your music or anything, but its ALMOST the same as taking a already hit recording artist and putting they vocal on your beat.

I look at like this great music great music and people is always going to sample great music such as "EWF, Diana Ross, Barry White, Marvin Gaye, Al Greene, Sam Cooke ect..".

If you putting a vocal that you did not write on a beat why is it so wrong for others to recreate a beat, its all the same.

If a producer can spice up a beat from the 60's, 70's, 80's so be it as long as credit is given.

No disrespect to anyone intended im just tired of people saying sampling is so wrong when they lose a battle or something.
 
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Re:during a beat battle.. original vs sample 2 Months ago Give Props!: 0  
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Re:during a beat battle.. original vs sample 2 Months ago Give Props!: 9  
Ok first off, I edited your speech some. So look at the bottom of this and tell me if this is what you were saying.
Okay let's look at your arguments shall we?
Your first point is that there's no difference between 1.putting just a vocal sample from another artist into your song, and 2.using an entire song from another artist in ur song. Is this correct?
Well, A vocal sample is a single instrument. A sample of an entire song however may contain a vocal sample, drums, strings, bass guitar, electric guitar, brass section, etc. 6 is different than 1 right? Okay, so when an artist sings solo, they create their own single melody right? Well with an entire song, there are several melodies playing simultaneously to give it that full sound. There's harmony, counterpoint, melodies, rythym, backing vocals perhaps, etc. With an entire song the composer creates a small to large group of instruments, all playing their own parts. The composer creates their song using their knowledge of music and many times put their heart and soul into it and they apply all of that to each instrument that they choose to use in that song and certain instruments will come in at different times throughout the song, sometimes they use more than one of the same instrument for harmony or counterpoint and all kinds of musical techniques. With a solo vocalist, they can sing a single melody at a time and they can put their heart and soul into it but it's still not the same as an entire song. Do you understand what I'm saying? Because there is a big difference!

Then you wrote something like "If a producer can spice up a beat from the 60's, 70's, and 80's so be it, as long as credit is given." How many artists do you know that give credit to the artists they sample from? But you're right. I should take one of your beats and sample parts of it and make it to where it sounds better to my ears, but don't worry, I'll give u credit by typing ur name into the description somewhere. Or maybe I should use your tightest melody and use the same instruments you used and just change up the drums a lil bit, you'd be okay with that right? Remember that one dude that copied a beat that NYCE BEATZ did and NYCE went into the forums saying he's going to sew that dude for copying his work? And nyce beatz has sampled other artists music before. Is there something wrong here? Please explain all of this to me, please


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I'm not trying to knock your music or anything. It's ALMOST the same as taking a hit recording artist and then putting their vocals on your beat.

I look at it like this. Great music is great music and people are always going to sample great music from such legends as "EWF, Diana Ross, Barry White, Marvin Gaye, Al Greene, Sam Cooke, etc..".

If you're inserting a vocal recording, that you did not write, over a beat that you created, why is it so wrong for others to recreate a beat or song? Because it's all the same.

If a producer can spice up a beat from the 60's, 70's, and 80's so be it, as long as credit is given.

No disrespect intended to anyone. Im just tired of people saying that sampling is so wrong. When a lot of the time it just so happens that they say this after losing a battle or something.
 
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Re:during a beat battle.. original vs sample 2 Months ago Give Props!: 22  
First off i think the way i worded it was fine.

Im not getting into a full out argument about this cause i made my point clear.

What im saying is, you can't knock someone for making a remake of a beat when your not using a vocal that belongs to you. It's the same thing to me rather anyone agrees or disagrees thats why its an opinion.
 
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Re:during a beat battle.. original vs sample 2 Months ago Give Props!: 9  
ha ha. I'm not looking for an argument, I'm looking for reason, logic, and sense. Don't take my words as anger, take them as curiousity of opinion.
Can someone answer my questions I put up in my previous post?
 
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Re:during a beat battle.. original vs sample 2 Months ago Give Props!: 22  
I did not take your words like that but when you retype my sentences it makes it sound like you think im stupid or something.

Highlight your questions and i will answer!
 
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Re:during a beat battle.. original vs sample 2 Months ago Give Props!: 0  
i hardly ever sample but when i do i make sure to give to whom credit deserve but i do understand were as if u take a sample and just a drum pat and a simple 1/2 beat hihat to it is pretty fudge up when u lose to some bull like that
BUT WAIT

how would you even know if he just added a simple drum pat
and the one straight hihat

wat did u take your poor time and listen to the beat a thou times and till u finally said man that just a drum pat and a sample

and that some ish

me im figuring if its like that then u deserve to lose

FIRST OFF WHEN SAMPLING MUST PEOPLE TRY TO MAKE WHERE THE BEAT SOUNDS WAY DIFFERENT THEN THE ORIGINAL.

SECOND NOW AND DAYS ITS HARD TO FIND A SAMPLE THAT U CANT JUST ADD DRUM PAT AND SOME DAM HIHAT AND SHAKERS TOO BUT DAM WE TRY TO MAKE IT SOUND LIKE IT WASNT GIVE US A LIL CREDIT.

THIRD QUIT WHINNIG U LOSE SOME U WIN SOME DAM U AINT GONE WIN THEM ALL CUZ IF U DID U WOULDNT BE AT MYBEATSHOP U WOULD HAVE A MAJOR RECORD DEAL BY NOW
 
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Re:during a beat battle.. original vs sample 2 Months ago Give Props!: 22  
This is what i said and this where i stand!


Not knocking your music or anything, but its ALMOST the same as taking a already hit recording artist and putting they vocal on your beat.

I look at like this great music great music and people is always going to sample great music such as "EWF, Diana Ross, Barry White, Marvin Gaye, Al Greene, Sam Cooke ect..".

If you putting a vocal that you did not write on a beat why is it so wrong for others to recreate a beat, its all the same.

If a producer can spice up a beat from the 60's, 70's, 80's so be it as long as credit is given.

No disrespect to anyone intended im just tired of people saying sampling is so wrong when they lose a battle or something.
 
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Re:during a beat battle.. original vs sample 2 Months ago Give Props!: 1  
i feel u on all dat.. i know im goin against what i said when i put wayne or somthing over my beat thats only just for fun doe and i know it will sell, i feel u doe
 
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Re:during a beat battle.. original vs sample 2 Months ago Give Props!: 1  
yea basically that doe and im ahppy for the attention on this forum
 
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Re:during a beat battle.. original vs sample 2 Months ago Give Props!: 1  
im not whining and im really just askin this question i dont really care to much if i lose a poitnless battle r not but im just sayin that the differnce of work when making a beat .. some one making it up from scratch and some one makin an original its like no one really pays attention to the differnce any more they just say waht sounds beter u know? its just a question all toghter not out of anger just to be recognized
 
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Re:during a beat battle.. original vs sample 2 Months ago Give Props!: 22  
Im glad you understand what im saying instead of asking a bunch of pointless questions. Props on not getting pissed off.


westbeats wrote:
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i feel u on all dat.. i know im goin against what i said when i put wayne or somthing over my beat thats only just for fun doe and i know it will sell, i feel u doe
 
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Re:during a beat battle.. original vs sample 2 Months ago Give Props!: 1  
yea im not sayin ill never sample.. if i knew it would sound good id do it ... but when u bring new music in and actually work hard to make it unqie and sound well from ur own heart and mind instead of stealing the old and touching it up i think theres a big differnce u nkow.. say every one samples. where would the new music to sample be in the future?
 
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Re:during a beat battle.. original vs sample 2 Months ago Give Props!: 9  
They'd sample samples in the future. But I use to sample but then I entered the phase of logic and discovered I didn't need to sample to make hot tracks. Some people rely on samples too often and sometimes it catches up with them. But they choose the path they live
 
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