Ya it's funny this debate always gets the exact same responses "if it's good then it doesn't matter", or a "hot beat is a hot beat". Everyone has their own definition for talent I guess.

yea its funny cause to me thats not even thinkin about it thats just sayin if its hot its hot lol.. what was the point of even sayin somthing den if u cant detail it to why it deserves the vote doe besides its hot! lol and yea sampling a vocal i thought about it wouldent count in this because im talkin about instrumentals them selves a vocal sample goes ontop of the created instrumental its self its not the beat its more a of a sound r just a hook or intro r somthing doesent realy matter its just the voice its not the beat
but when u say if its good then ti doesent matter then thats just pointless to even say anyhthang i know yall have bright minds yall love this music game yall know a bit about what it takes to sample and not sample so why are u talkin like u dont know. u dident even think but its all about opinons how can u base facts on a persons feelings on a art i would just think u where more detailed about the being a produce then if its good its good... lol what if its good but i aint do shit but add a snare and u worked on a beat from scratch with ur own mastering and everythang and we battled and i won. and i became the next top producer in the world from a beat totally stolen from some one else just adding a snare because if its good its good?

i just dotn think this game is about how good a beat is but about how good the producer is how much heart and work he r she puts into the work not just how good a noise sounds

a painter doesent make art by taking some one elses painting and drawling a outline,and a producer shuoldent take some one elses music and call it theres when they just add a few sounds . then its just there with a few sounds r changed pitch and tempo still theres they could of did that them selves

Yo....if the beats hott....than the beats hott....simple as that....but if its an original beat...than all the more props...-p

true dat, I agree


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Ya it's funny this debate always gets the exact same responses "if it's good then it doesn't matter", or a "hot beat is a hot beat". Everyone has their own definition for talent I guess.

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a painter doesent make art by taking some one elses painting and drawling a outline,and a producer shuoldent take some one elses music and call it theres when they just add a few sounds . then its just there with a few sounds r changed pitch and tempo still theres they could of did that them selves

Have fun a stop thinking so deep and taking every thing so serious.its more important things going on in the world!!!!!!

This is what I've been saying numerous amount of times but everybody says that if it sounds good then it's good. Yeah, and if my farts sound good then they must smell good too.
Come on! That's what everybody says. Yall just aren't analyzing these beats. You must pay attention to detail, otherwise you'll be stuck making the same beats that just sound good to amateurs.

And what about if you wanna show a big music company ur stuff? Do you think that they are not gonna analyze how you made ur beat and what you were able to do with it? Sure it may sound good but the producers that make it, give their own flavor to the beat.

Many hip hop producers on here rely too much on sampling, so they get lazy and loop a sample and add quick drums to it and make quick money. Am I suppose to be impressed? I use to sample and that's all I would do. But I would invent my own techniques and experiment with the samples and then add my own instruments to it to give it my own flavor.
Now I ask of the people that use samples, how much style of yours are you putting in ur music when you just add drums to a sample on a loop? Do you just wanna be a copy of a copy of another producer's style or do you want to have ur own style? Kanye and Blaze have their own styles and yet they both sample in most of their beats. If you want to get better and make it to the top, then you gotta put some real effort in ur music and get creative cuz people always wanna hear that new sound that's bangin' cuz its hot and fresh, rather than a played out style that everybody does. But hey, at least it sounds good, right?
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yea its funny cause to me thats not even thinkin about it thats just sayin if its hot its hot lol.. what was the point of even sayin somthing den if u cant detail it to why it deserves the vote doe besides its hot! lol and yea sampling a vocal i thought about it wouldent count in this because im talkin about instrumentals them selves a vocal sample goes ontop of the created instrumental its self its not the beat its more a of a sound r just a hook or intro r somthing doesent realy matter its just the voice its not the beat
but when u say if its good then ti doesent matter then thats just pointless to even say anyhthang i know yall have bright minds yall love this music game yall know a bit about what it takes to sample and not sample so why are u talkin like u dont know. u dident even think but its all about opinons how can u base facts on a persons feelings on a art i would just think u where more detailed about the being a produce then if its good its good... lol what if its good but i aint do shit but add a snare and u worked on a beat from scratch with ur own mastering and everythang and we battled and i won. and i became the next top producer in the world from a beat totally stolen from some one else just adding a snare because if its good its good?

Dam yall to dam serious.its just music man.Can yall get the stick out yall butt and have fun.Man them executives don't see nothing but money.THe best hustler wins.Yall can analize`a tracks to ya brain collapse.It aint right but that's real talk.do what you wanna do and quit being upset because other people don't do what yall do.

Calm down, it's aight. It is just music, you're right. But what does music mean to you? Is music just a lil thing in history that's not that big of a deal? How important was Public Enemy's "Fight the Power"? Sit on it for a while.
Executives mainly see money, that's true, but how many tracks will they like if they see that all the songs are samples on a basic loop and drums and nothing else, nothing new? How will they make money off of that? That's what everybody does!
Anybody can make a beat that sounds hot, but how many can they make and still be fresh? Look at the producers making the most money right now, and look at how innovative and new their techniques are.
No ones ever gonna do what I do but that doesn't bother me. What bothers me is when people get lazy with music and they loop a single sample and just add drums and that's it, cuz that offends me as a producer. That's not music, that's weak and it doesn't matter how you look at it. (That statement will make some of yall angry I know.)
Don't analyze the beats? Are you serious? You have to analyze everything in life to decide whether or not you like it or not, or whether it's right or wrong. If you didn't analyze things in life then you'd just be a farm animal that goes about their business not able to analyze everyday things. We have minds and ideas and we must use them, not put them to waste by saying we shouldn't analyze things in life, especially music. Why are there music critics? Why are there music classes? Why are their music schools?They're there to analyze music so that we may better understand what works and what doesn't and how we can improve from that information. Major producers have to analyze music, otherwise they wouldn't be able to stay fresh with it. U see what I'm sayin?
And don't turn this into an argument cuz that's already played out. I'm just stating the facts and a few opinions. I'm not going against you personally or anything so don't take this as hating on ur ideas and what not, aight?
P.S.- I do have fun making my music but it's hard to have fun when another producer gets really lazy on a beat and he's asking for feedback and putting it in battles, etc.
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Dam yall to dam serious.its just music man.Can yall get the stick out yall butt and have fun.Man them executives don't see nothing but money.THe best hustler wins.Yall can analize`a tracks to ya brain collapse.It aint right but that's real talk.do what you wanna do and quit being upset because other people don't do what yall do.

if its just music.. and u make music.. thats what u wanna see of it it just being music this is u your are a producer your part of the life of this game and u want it to be straight black and white if it sounds good its good and if it sells do it.. so basically u just out for the money u aint out for the love of the game ur in to do big thangs to be recognized wheres your heart at for music. every one out to just make a hot song that sounds good make it main stream i guess for the sound and the money but they dont have the heart for the music the underground has the heart. so i guess ull make it far then and im not mad i am serious its u do as u wish u know its ur life and your style but when u talk about music and your a producer a part of music you should think a little harder then if it sounds good it sounds good r if it sells den just do it to sell cause tahts what a listioner should think not a creater

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if its just music.. and u make music.. thats what u wanna see of it it just being music this is u your are a producer your part of the life of this game and u want it to be straight black and white if it sounds good its good and if it sells do it.. so basically u just out for the money u aint out for the love of the game ur in to do big thangs to be recognized wheres your heart at for music. every one out to just make a hot song that sounds good make it main stream i guess for the sound and the money but they dont have the heart for the music the underground has the heart. so i guess ull make it far then and im not mad i am serious its u do as u wish u know its ur life and your style but when u talk about music and your a producer a part of music you should think a little harder then if it sounds good it sounds good r if it sells den just do it to sell cause tahts what a listioner should think not a creater

I agree`with both of u 100%,im just saying don't take what another producer does so serious if you don't like it.i sample sometimes but i make my own tracks to the samples.I understand that other producers do some lazy stuff,but it doesn't bother me.Understand everybody is different,so just take a weak track for what its worth.It might be weak to u and gold to the next man.So my opinion and your opinion is just that;An opinion!!!

westbeats wrote:

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a painter doesent make art by taking some one elses painting and drawling a outline,and a producer shuoldent take some one elses music and call it theres when they just add a few sounds . then its just there with a few sounds r changed pitch and tempo still theres they could of did that them selves

Well, have you ever seen Marcel Duchamps's LHOOQ for instance?
http://french.chass.utoronto.ca/fcs195/photos/DuchampLHOOQ.jpg

jyri wrote:

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westbeats wrote:

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a painter doesent make art by taking some one elses painting and drawling a outline,and a producer shuoldent take some one elses music and call it theres when they just add a few sounds . then its just there with a few sounds r changed pitch and tempo still theres they could of did that them selves

Well, have you ever seen Marcel Duchamps's LHOOQ for instance?
http://french.chass.utoronto.ca/fcs195/photos/DuchampLHOOQ.jpg

hahaha

i feel u man and some beats r good sampled im down for both but im not gonna say if it sounds good it sounds good lol. but yea both r very good ways to make beats i just like seein new music every once in a hwile dats all



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westbeats wrote:

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if its just music.. and u make music.. thats what u wanna see of it it just being music this is u your are a producer your part of the life of this game and u want it to be straight black and white if it sounds good its good and if it sells do it.. so basically u just out for the money u aint out for the love of the game ur in to do big thangs to be recognized wheres your heart at for music. every one out to just make a hot song that sounds good make it main stream i guess for the sound and the money but they dont have the heart for the music the underground has the heart. so i guess ull make it far then and im not mad i am serious its u do as u wish u know its ur life and your style but when u talk about music and your a producer a part of music you should think a little harder then if it sounds good it sounds good r if it sells den just do it to sell cause tahts what a listioner should think not a creater

I agree`with both of u 100%,im just saying don't take what another producer does so serious if you don't like it.i sample sometimes but i make my own tracks to the samples.I understand that other producers do some lazy stuff,but it doesn't bother me.Understand everybody is different,so just take a weak track for what its worth.It might be weak to u and gold to the next man.So my opinion and your opinion is just that;An opinion!!!