We Got Some Cry Babys In Here

Emerald city wrote:

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there is nothing fair when u battle!!!!
your music speaks for itself.when i first started i felt the same way but i upgraded my track status,voted more and met alot of producers I think overall its fucked up but fair!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

very true

They are fair enough lol...I mean I know i talk mad shit when I vote, lol i apologize ahead of time, but if its wack, or if i think theres something I would do different Imma say it. Now if you take my criticism and turn into hatred and go vote against all my battles, lol thats lame, but that person would have to sleep with their hateration not me lol...So I mean, if u're hot, people will vote for u, if not people will tell u how they think you can get better, u either grow from it, or u don't

Sometimes these battles are all about chance. Like you may have one beat that sound like Lil Jon and one dude that vote for you likes that kind of beat while the other 4 people like the other dude's style more. I have a style that not a lot of people may like but sometimes I put a track on here and that's what the majority of the people want to hear. It also depends who you're battlin. If I put up one of my beatz that not a lot of people like and Big Zeke battles against me then im not gonna win. If I put up a beat against T.R.U.T.H. that i've found a lot of people like, I'm gonna win. No disrespect to T.R.U.T.H., it's just tha truth. Let's say that One day I put up a beat against a beat that's all right and I win. The next week I put up tha same beat against a beat that's all right and I lose. There's a different group of people with different tastes everyday. Not everybody's gonna like your beatz. There are people that listen to hip hop but don't like Dr. Dre or Kanye West. When I vote I might say too much and im not hatin on anyone cuz I respect anyone that creates these beatz. Im just sayin how tha beat makes me feel and what's right and what's wrong with it from my perspective. I may be wrong but that's how we all vote, we vote based on our opinions.

hmmm...

i think most people try to vote based on what sounds right or wrong in the beat, if it sounds finished or not (and not so much on the style). Which yes, is their opinion, but not really their preference/taste in music or artists. Obviously some of it will come down to their taste in music, but it will carry a lot less weight than what they think about the quality of the beat..

i mean some people battle beats with snares you can't hear, horrible mastering, out of pitch basslines and melodies... the list goes on... i mean, take a lil jon beat, remove the snares, put stuff out of pitch, have stuff in the wrong key and then distort the crap out of it.. you can still tell it sounds more like a lil jon beat than the other one, but you won't vote for it based on that...

Also, it comes down to what genre you post your beat as..

i'm not sure what point you're trying to make by saying "It also depends who you're battlin."...

yes, it does depend on who you're battling.. isn't this point obvious? other people can be better than you.. and somebody always has to loose.. isn't that kind of the whole idea of battles..

some of it may come to luck... and some battles may seem unfair.. but as long as they don't have a voting ring or something, they are fair enough

If you run the same battle 5 times with different voters, the results should be pretty similar

anyway, i'm really tired... peace guys

Edit: hmm, it double posted for some reason<br><br>Post edited by: Jasper Schwab, at: 2007/06/14 08:26

Okay Jasper Im gonna address some of the arguements you made. I vote on style and not so much of the quality of it cuz somebody could be a genius with the cheap software they got but people don't vote for them cuz it doesn't sound as live as the dude he's battlin. What if I wanted to make a guitar melody and it all comes out soundin like a robot and it's all jumbled cuz I don't have a guitar loop or a guitar?
When you said, &quot;take a lil jon beat, remove the snares, put stuff out of pitch, have stuff in the wrong key and then distort the crap out of it.. you can still tell it sounds more like a lil jon beat than the other one, but you won't vote for it based on that...&quot; What does it have to be based on in order for you to vote for it? Then you say,&quot;Also, it comes down to what genre you post your beat as.&quot; If somebody puts a beat in Chopped N Screwed and the beat is tight but it's not chopped and screwed and they win, what does that say?
Then you write,&quot;yes, it does depend on who you're battling.. isn't this point obvious?&quot; It's not always obvious cuz some dude might have great beatz one month and the next month they're horrible. It depends on what beat they put against yours cuz they might bring their best and you bring one that's ok. It really is luck a lot of the time cuz you never know who will battle you and how tight there beat is gonna be. You can only get an idea.

Then you say,&quot; some battles may seem unfair.. but as long as they don't have a voting ring or something, they are fair enough&quot; There might be like 4 people that don't like what you've said about their beats on their battles and they vote against you on the same battle when your beat is already better than your opponent. That doesn't seem fair, is that what you mean by voting rings?
Finally,&quot; If you run the same battle 5 times with different voters, the results should be pretty similar.&quot; How many battles have you been in? The votes are hardly ever similar if both sides have tight beatz. That's all for now. Peace

if they are a genius they COULD create decent quality beats (regarding levels, distortion and even actual music content) in fruity loops with the standard synths and freeware/demo synths that you can find with google.. which is very cheap especially if you can pick up one of the older versions like i have... and from what i've read most people don't pay for their shit anyway... sure it's ALOT easier with stacks of equipment do make a simple clean beat.. but that's no excuse for not bothering to tweak your tracks.. even if you do have a 20$ studio.. it comes down to a mixture of everything..

by &quot;quality&quot; i didn't mean ignoring the content of the beat

and i do agree with what you said about them using loop samples. if the guy has clearly just paid for this guitar loop and just droped it in his track, that comes into it too.. i'm not going to give him credit for it when i know he just bought or stole it, but it's hard to tell sometimes, i'll even listen to the dudes profile before i vote sometimes.. same goes for when i hear the FL standard samples unmodified or the 3x oscillator presets.. lol

&quot;What does it have to be based on in order for you to vote for it?&quot; i'm lost now, lol... my lil jon thing was a response to the example you said about a dude being a lil jon fan and voting for the wack beat just cause he likes little jon&quot; (and ok, some voters are complete idiots too, i haven't ignored that fact. but for the most of the dudes on here that give feedback in the comments and stuff, they all have decent ears and opinions.)

the genre does influence it, i mean if it's a turntablism battle and the opponent uploads this awesome hip hop track.. he shouldn't win... it was a battle of turntablism... in some cases, especially with genre's that can be incorporated or confused with each other, the genre doesn't matter so much.. and it's more with the quality of the beat, how good it is... it gets tricky comparing beats that are completely different though..

look, every battle is different, there are hundreds of factors, but all i'm saying is that they all come into it..

oh and, i just couldn't see what your point was with the it depends on who you're battling bit.. it seemed like all these people were saying &quot;it's unfair.. somethings wrong.. i keep loosing all my battles&quot; and then you explain this phenomenon by telling them it's because their opponents have better beats than them lol.. if that is the reason why, then that's good, and perfectly fair, the best man (or lady) is supposed to win...

and finally, yeah if you battle two beats that are equally good, just different, it will mostly come down to taste.. but if both beats are good, it can usually seen in the comments people leave.. and if you run the same battle again (even with a different outcome) you should get similar comments, &quot;both beats are tight&quot; etc etc.. same as if you have a battle that goes 5 - 0 and everybody tells the other guy his beat's wack.. if you run the battle again, on average you'll probably get a similar result, maybe 4 - 1 or even 3 - 2.. sometimes it could flip right out, i never denied that.. but on the average i think you'll find similarities...

anyway, i'm already kinda drunk and just about to go out and if i go into this anymore i'll be writting a book on it lol..

by voting rings i meant people that always vote for each other knowing that they'll get the same in return when they have their battle up.. but yeah it works the other way too, if people always vote you down cause you told them their shit was wack or something.. any petty shit or stuff that has nothing to do with the actual beats makes it unfair, obviously.. cause it's a battle of beats..

there is unfair factors and i accept that, but on average i think it works out fair enough..

just for fun maybe everybody could go listen to ten old battles and see if the agree with what the outcome was.. i dunno whatever.. come have a drink with me

and RJ, i wasn't trying to start beef at you or anything.. i mean could even be wrong with what i've said, it's just what came into my head.. peace

btw, sorry for the long ass posts guys lol, seeyas

EDIT: wtf.. this one double posted too..<br><br>Post edited by: Jasper Schwab, at: 2007/06/16 11:54

Thanks 4 clearin' things up cuz at first it seemed like you were just talkin you know? I don't really wanna go into my whole theory about who's better and what seems fair because things would get too confusing and probably be about as long as your last post, Ha! I agree with most of what you're sayin. Anyways, on your reply to someone being a genius I'm definitely gonna have to disagree with you on that one. There are genius's that are on a completely 'nother level obviously and some of those dudes aren't thinking about how high quality their beatz are. Dr. Dre is and he's a very particular kind of genius cuz if he wants violins in a beat he gets somebody to play the violins and he will never just use samples for violins. He wants the livest sounds and nothing less. That's one type of genius. The kind I was talking about is the kind that doesn't see it the way we do. This kind of genius sees the music in his mind and just uses what he has to create it. Now, you should look up some of these genius's with some sort of disordr like autism. Watch how they work with what they have cuz it's not always about what they're able to obtain, it's more of how far they are able to go with what they have. You're talking about a different kind of genius, the logical genius. Very different!<br><br>Post edited by: RJL, at: 2007/06/16 17:46

with ALLLLL that said, the bottom line is Vote for Skip lol!!

beat battles aint fair
heres the proof
http://www.mybeatshop.com/beat-battles/showbattle=2783

some dude voting against me in all my battles

fkin childish

damn they wrote a whole essay on why beat battle are not fair....started out with a thesis statment then with a opening paragraph. got into detail then came to conclusion lol. anyways there is no way you can make the battles fair...you win some and you lose some DEAL WITH IT!!!!!!

The D.A. wrote:

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beat battles aint fair
heres the proof

http://www.mybeatshop.com/beat-battles/showbattle=2783

some dude voting against me in all my battles ;)

fkin childish

You need to shut the fuck up. All you do is complain to me that I vote against you. I do vote against you, not because I'm &quot;hatin&quot;, it's becuase I aint feelin your beats. In that battle I felt like his beat was more original and had original transitions that made it hot.

You need to stop complaining like a lil bitch and learn that there are better produers than you on this site.

Fuck off

SkiptheGreat wrote:

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They are fair enough lol...I mean I know i talk mad shit when I vote, lol i apologize ahead of time, but if its wack, or if i think theres something I would do different Imma say it. Now if you take my criticism and turn into hatred and go vote against all my battles, lol thats lame, but that person would have to sleep with their hateration not me lol...So I mean, if u're hot, people will vote for u, if not people will tell u how they think you can get better, u either grow from it, or u don't

Good point skip